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Show or Go: 1972 Honda CL350 AHRMA Racebike for Sale

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike on Track

While race and track bikes tend to be built with “go” rather than “show” in mind, even at the highest levels, vintage racing is sometimes a different story. While there are plenty of lashed-up, rattle-can bikes on the classic circuit, there are also some really nicely prepped machines that look like they’d be at home on a custom build show, and this Honda CL350 definitely has one foot in both of those worlds.

Honda’s CL350 was introduced in 1968 and, much like the new Ducati Scrambler, was meant more as a fun, versatile streetbike than a real offroad machine. Americans love their dirtbikes, so the CL350 sold very well at the time, and its basic reliability means there are plenty of nice ones still around. They’re rugged, make decent power, and have a very classic look, making them popular today in both stock form and as the basis for café-style rebuilds.

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike L Rear

Powered by a 325cc parallel twin with a chain-driven overhead cam, the CL350 put out about 33hp in stock trim. But there was plenty more to be had and the engine was both lightweight and very tough, with much of the bike’s overall weight coming from heavy-duty offroad-capable parts. This means that there’s plenty of weight to lose when building a dedicated streetbike or a roadracer like we have here.

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike Engine Detail

From the original eBay listing: 1972 Honda CL350 AHRMA Racebike for Sale

The bike was built to a very high standard using the best components and lots of Italian “bling.” It uses the preferred CL350 frame (reinforced) which like the Honda CB350 version – has competitive advantages compared to the SL350 model frame.  It was also remarkably reliable. No DNSs and no DNFs during its one full season of competition! Add fresh fuel, battery and rubber and you’re ready to go racing with a very competitive mount!

I also used this bike myself to pass AHRMA’s Fast and Safe road-racing school at NOLA. This is an excellent track day bike! Or – a unique exotic for the collector who wants a special bike with real race “cred” that was built to an aesthetic level rarely seen on racing machinery.

Would be a great conversation piece as a static display for any private collection, restaurant or coffee shop …but I would prefer that this bike is acquired by someone who plans to continue its distinguished racing career.

This is a special bike that goes as good as it looks. Draws a crowd wherever it appears!

This is an well-maintained machine. The assembly / paint was expertly done in 2013. Beyond that, it does have the honest patina of actual racing action. It will require new rubber and a fresh battery.

Frame

Honda CL350 (high pipe, street-bike) was selected as the basis for this build. The frame (merely spot-welded at the factory) was “fully” welded during our build. All joints, attachments, pressings, perimeters, etc. were completely welded together for maximum rigidity.  Extraneous brackets were removed.  The steering head bearings were replaced with tapered roller bearings (All-Balls).  Swing-arm is stock.  Paint is urethane single-stage (no clear coat).

Brakes

Front brake was extensively tweaked by Vintage Brake. They did all their magic turning, backplate service and brake shoe matching magic to build these serious binders.  Front has Ferodo shoes.  Rear is NOS Honda CL350.

Suspension

Many thanks to Race Tech for their help, support, design & guidance.  Front forks are 1981 35mm Yamaha 650 twin with Gold Valve emulators and 80kg/m fork springs.  SL350 Honda triple clamps are used for the (larger) 35mm fork size.  Rear shocks are custom, fully adjustable Race Tech shocks.  They did the math based on the build sheet dimensions and superbly constructed them. Steering damper by Shindy Daytona.

Engine

Most internal parts are from Bore-Tech.  Racing Cam is from Megacycle along with their valves springs & lighter retainers.  New guides were installed.  A big bore, high compression piston kit from Bore-Tech was installed.  Stock crank (roller bearings).  Cappellini needle bearing / overhead oiling / oil filter setup to eliminate running the hardened cam in plain aluminum carriers. Cappellini supplied the trick oil cooler as well.  Degreed the cam according to Megacycle specs. Ignition is electronic and run off the crank versus the cam end.  Stock Honda clutch and gearset.

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike R Side

The “SL350” the seller mentions in the first paragraph was introduced in 1969 and used a heavier frame more in keeping with legitimate off-road riding, but that obviously makes it less suitable for a track bike. This example uses the lighter CL/CB frame intended for street duty. The smaller Honda twins are, in general, very popular in vintage roadracing: they’re rugged as all get-out and are still very affordable, with maintenance and tuning parts readily available. Although it is possible to spend ludicrous amounts of cash building one to this level, that’s not really necessary, and you can still have a blast on something less polished.

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike Tank Detail

As you can see from the close-up shots, this is a beautifully-prepared bike and, although the $8,900 Buy It Now price is very high for a Honda CL350-based anything, it’s probably worth that, considering the fabrication and care that’s gone into this build. As is often the case, you’re left with a bit of dilemma: do you risk trashing something this nice on track?

-tad

1972 Honda CL350 Race Bike Engine Parts

1972 Ducati 250 for Sale

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler L Side

During the 1960’s, Ducati struggled to sell bikes in the USA, left behind in an arms race that really required at least two cylinders to compete with popular machines from Moto Guzzi, Triumph, Norton, and Harley Davidson. Ducati’s roadrace heritage and sublime handling were considered to be of little value and horsepower was king in a country with so many miles of arrow-straight roads. Luckily, the famous 750 v-twin was on its way to salvage Ducati’s fortunes…

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler Dash

Until that v-twin put Ducati into the “superbike” game, they made do with a range of sophisticated single-cylinder machines with a variety of displacements. The regular 250 had a single overhead camshaft operating the valves via traditional springs: unlike today, only the sportiest Ducati singles of the era featured their now-ubiquitous Desmodromic springless valvetrain. All Ducatis did get the distinctive tower-shaft and bevel-drive arrangement to operate the single overhead cam. Driving power through a five-speed box, the bike offered a blend of usable power and sweet handling that was sadly overlooked in America.

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler R Side Tank

From the original eBay listing: 1972 Ducati Single 250 for Sale

This bike is great condition and runs great.  It has 2 significant upgrades.  The plastic oil pump has been replaced with a metal oil pump that now makes the bike reliable.  It also has the Power Dynamo 12 volt upgrade, which gives a solid state, maintenance free, full electronic ignition.  Now you never have to worry about your battery going bad, as it eliminates the battery altogether.  Just put fresh gas in it and kick it and you’re ready to ride.  Also comes with brand new road tires, napoleon bar end mirror, and H4 headlight.  The tank is in great condition with no dents, seat is in like new condition.  Akront aluminum wheels with trials tires that are on the bike are actually very nice to ride on the street.  This is a very reliable and fun bike to ride with very low miles.  Clear title in hand. 

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler Seat

It used to be that the non-Desmo and lower-spec, small-displacement Ducatis were still very affordable, and could still be found in restorable condition in barns and sheds. But that’s changing: lots of people snapped up Scramblers and other less-racey machines with an eye to converting them into replicas of the sportier models. Now, as vintage dirtbikes have come into vogue and Ducatis in general have risen in value, they’re being kept original as well.

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler Tank

The “trials” tires on this particular machine threw me when I first saw it, tricking me into thinking it was some sort of modified Scrambler. The seller is vague as well, mentioning only that it’s a 250, so I’m betting he doesn’t know either. It certainly looks to be in nice shape, with shiny paint and an intact seat, although I’m not sure if they match the bike or each other. The frame, gauges, and tank look like a Scrambler, but those side covers and the seat don’t match that model. So what are we looking at here?  A Scrambler? A Mark 3?

Any of you vintage Ducati experts want to chime in in the comments? Am I looking at more than one bike here?

-tad

1972 Ducati 250 Scrambler R Side

1966 Ducati 250 Bevel Single Scrambler Your Brain

Ok, I’m trying to hold my composure here. I just bought one of these a couple months back. Mine is as rough as they get and is going to take me a least a year to get on the road. The bike I’m writing about today just needs a quick going through according to the seller. Look, I get why you would want to keep a bike in your living room but for 12 years without riding it? I guess it would be cool to sit on it and watch the Isle of Man TT. After that though I’d have to exit the house and go for a spirited ride through the closest curves I could find. With the Scrambler when you get to the end of the pavement and the road turns to gravel just keep going. It’s one of the coolest dual purpose bikes ever made in my opinion. So much more class in styling than any Japanese dual purpose bike. I’m not saying Japanese bikes don’t have their place or they’re bad or anything, I’m just saying Ducati had a good thing going when they made these. I wish you could still go to Ducati and get something like this new. I’d buy it and ride to work taking alleys and cutting through parks. Well, that wold be illegal so I wouldn’t really do that. 😉

1966 Ducati 250 Scrambler for sale on eBay

I’d ask the seler a few questions before bidding. Here’s his description.

>1966 Ducati 250 Scrambler Bevel Single. This bike is titled as a 1967, it’s a 66 or a 65.  Back in the day, this bike could have sat in a dealers inventory as a leftover with an open Certificate of Origin and titled when sold in 67. Instead of causing confusion with the Registry of Motor Vehicles to correct or change title,  I just left it as a 67.  7554 miles, approx 1500 on rebuilt motor.  Restored 15 years ago, not used or ridden in 12 years.  Mostly sat in my living room and shown at a few bike shows.  Very little time and effort to have this bike running again was put away properly.  Painted Ducati Red.  Has 27mm Delorto w/ K&N filter. 18″ front and rear wheels w/ new dual sport tires and tubes. Sargent seat cover. Skid plate, side stand and center stand. Verlecchi bars w/ magura hand controls. Correct foot pegs, exhaust w/ optional muffler, chain guard and sheet metal.  Title, service and parts books. I added pictures of this bike with a high mounted exhaust pipe (very loud). I will include with the bike.  Questions?  Please ask.  Shipping is the buyers responsibilty

The first thing I would ask is what his idea of “put away properly” is. That can mean different things to different people. When he says “Very little time and effort to get this thing going” is another thing I’d ask about. Very little time to me is turning the key and kick the the start lever. I’m guessing his idea of very little time is a weekend of adjustments and fluid changing, but that’s just a guess.

Since I just got one of these I’m going to be following the auction to see where the price ends up.

Join me in this venture

~Buck

1960 BSA Gold Star Catalina

The BSA Gold Star was first offered before WWII as a celebration of BSA sending a 500cc bike around Brooklands track at over 100mph. By the end of its nearly 30yr Gold Star run, BSA celebrated another victory on a island of the coast of California with a Gold Star Catalina model, and a 1960 model is offered on eBay now.

Throughout American racing history, riders have had to take their motorcycles off the beaten path to compete. Races staged through the woods, across the desert and on dirt tracks have always been part of the AMA schedule. One rider who excelled on all surfaces was Chuck Minor, and during the 1950’s he rode for BSA.  But to compete, he made changes to the DBD34 Gold Star they handed him. The engine would originally produce 42hp at 7000rpm with a top speed of 116mph with its huge Amal GP carb. But for races like those held on Catalina island, some work had to be done.

Chuck added a larger tank so that he could complete the 100 mile race without stopping for gas. He also added a front brake plate with a scoop for better braking, and a smaller 19” front wheel for better control. With these changes he was able to win the 1956 Catalina Grand Prix. The West Coast distributer for BSA, Hap Alzina, asked BSA to build a replica to commemorate Minor’s victory, and in 1959 the BSA Gold Star Catalina’s were shipped.

This BSA offered up on eBay looks to have had some additional modifications made. I see an oil cooler plumbed up front. The GP carb has been replaced by a later Amal, and a large air filter attached. As the seller stats lights have been added, and possibly an aftermarket muffler. Catalina’s were offered as race ready bikes and would not have had lights, and would have had either straight through exhaust, or a megaphone of some type.

From the seller

1960 BSA GOLDSTAR CATALINA  500cc, I LAST RODE THIS BIKE IN APRIL AND IT RAN PERFECT,DUE TO A BACK INJURY I CAN NO LONGER KICK THIS BIKE OVER THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I AM SELLING IT, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOS SOMEONE PUT LIGHTS ON IT FOR STREET USE IN THE PAST,THE FRONT MUDGUARD IS FROM A CB 750 OTHERWISE EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO BE ORIGINAL ON THIS BIKE, I CAN SHIP WORLDWIDE AT BUYERS COST. THIS IS AN EASY RESTORATION PROJECT,

 

I think the seller will have interest from all over the World. The Gold Star name does have value, and being a Catalina, the value  is going to increase. With the Catalina GP being reenacted in the last few years, and hopefully in the future, this bike will have a place to run. But if you only want to look like a Catalina there are stickers available if you cannot afford the whole bike. BB

1972 Suzuki T250 II Hustler Scrambler

This 1970 Suzuki T250 II Scrambler offered here on eBay is something a little different. The T250 was one of the line of 2 cylinder, 2-stoke bikes offered from 1962-1972 by Suzuki for the US market. The Smallest displacement was 90cc and the largest 500cc. This Scrambler may have high pipes to give you better ground clearance for heading off the pavement, but 27hp at 8000rpm through the 6-speed gear box would move you close to 100mph. Really? Compare that to some of the Classic Sports bikes from the 1950’s.

From the seller:

Mileage is 1050 miles and counting as I still ride it around once a week to local coffee shops and bike events.

This bike was found sitting in a garage in Fullerton,CA last year. My friend saw it sitting under a mountain of dust and resurrected it into the beauty that you see in the pics and video today. Apparently the orig owner just rode it for one year in 1970 and parked it in his garage after that.

 It runs great and all lights and instrumentation work including brake lights. The paint tank/side covers are very bright and shiny with original paint. The chrome does have some small pits on the fenders, bars and various spots from sitting so long with no wax to cover it.

The seller is a RSBFS reader and sent our sister site a heads up about a very nice RZ350 that they had on offer. When they told us about this classic 2-stoke we saw that it would have a place here at CSBFS. This is a great example of classic bikes that are hidden all over, covered in a layer of dust, just waiting for someone to hose it down and ride off on them.

BB

1965 Ducati Scrambler 250 for sale in Marina, CA

Another rare classic sport bike that I came across is this .

1965 DUCATI 250 SCAMBLER, ESTATE SALE, RACE BIKE, RESTORED TO PERFECTION, VEGLIA TACH, CUSTOM DISPLAY STAND, CLIP ONS, BIKE LOOKS INCREDIBLE, 10K IN RESTORATION, PLATING, POLISHING, BIKE INCLUDES MANUALS AND COVER, HAS BILL OF SALE, BIKE IS ART AND STUNNING !

The Ducati 250 scrambler is one of the less collectible / desirable Ducati singles, and that fact that this has been converted into a racer makes it even less valuable.  Nevertheless, it is an older bevel single, which in itself is worth something. For the right money, this could make a nice mantle piece or a vintage track day toy.

phil